He travelled across the country, and to England, to collect these reminiscences, which reveal Bagby to be a caring physician and a beloved and charismatic goofball. I said, `Find her, and I think you'll find who did this.'. The full hour will not be available online. MORRISON: Coming up, a knock at the door, and then the news. And we came back. I'm absolutely sure. MORRISON: In July 2003, a year and eight months after their son's, murder, Andrew's friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, who'd been making the, documentary film for Zachary about the father he'd never know, arrived in. Mr. SIMPSON: You don't need to go out with a woman because you can't think you can do better. It left me looking for the impossibility of marking the film above the highest grade available on the festival's voting ballot. David and Kate Bagby must have been saints to have had to tolerate personal dealings with their only child's murderess,and basically have to groval to her to even see their precious only-ever grandchild.Yet,they did whatever they could for the sake of Zachary.Most people (myself included) would have made away with Shirley Turner the first chance They are warm. Kuennes fast-talking exposition, while confusing, seems purposeful, as though the murder were a necessary backstory to be pushed through as quickly as possible in order to get to the heart of the narrative: Andrew Bagbys life and how horrible his death was for those who loved him. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I have that for protection. They recorded them. Kuenne is able to capture the true nature of love and dedication in a way I have never seen. You dont get over it. I kind of. Family and friends go to extraordinary lengths to honor a legacy of a young man whose trust led to tragedy. Click HERE for ticket information. Thought, you know, `Who would want to kill him?'. Oh, my God. But something kept me going, and. At one point, one friend says that if he had one tenth of the people who cared about him half as much as they do about Bagby, he would be happy. That one comes back a lot. Six-month-old Zachary was, returned to her. Kate and David Bagby traveled to Ottawa last week to speak as witnesses for the bill before the House's Standing Committee on Justice & Human Rights. would now have to be something else, a visual letter to Andrew's baby. It would take two weeks. Mr. SHEARS: Mm, yeah. (Talking in group) This is not about money. Its best to watch Kuennes documentary without too much background, but the basic setup is this: On November 6, 2001, Andrew Bagbys body was found, shot five times, in a park near Latrobe, Pennsylvania, where Bagby lived. She pushed it back in and cried some more. Far from experiencing the satisfaction of cracking a mystery, the viewer is likely to come away with a feeling of stymied sickness, of hitting the brick wall of a world gone wronga feeling which must be closer to the lived reality of violent tragedy. On December 4, 2009, Bill C-464 (our bail reform bill) was discussed on the floor of the House of Commons for a full hour, and MP Scott Andrews received unanimous support from all political parties in the House of Commons to advance the bill to the Standing Committee on Justice & Human Rights. People in the audience were literally weeping during the post-screening Q&A." If a suitable candidate is not identified, the award will not be given for that year. And as tragic as this story is, that is also where its consolation lies: that Shirley Jane Turner destroyed everything around her in an attempt to extinguish the love she was incapable of experiencing herself, and in the end she couldnt. When Kate reached down to wipe one away, she accidentally knocked out the plug used to mask his facial wound. But it will also introduce you to some of the most inspiring, strong and caring people ever to grace the big screen."" He was the whole world to them. And Kate kissed him and held him and kissed him some more. Its hard to imagine a well-crafted rendition being as powerful.). March 18, 2008: Someone found a car that didn't belong. (Kate and Zachary; judge in court; Shirley being escorted from court), Mr. KUENNE: I don't know. Couldn't be her. We. (Photo of Andrew and Kurt; Kurt editing film; collection of videotapes with, Mr. KUENNE: It was no longer just my search for what was left of, (Collection of videotapes of raw footage), Mr. KUENNE: I thought, I'm kind of the keeper of all this footage that is. He's a little bleary eyed, but. This is a huge step forward in the mission Dear Zachary was created to accomplish. Its been more than 10 years since the Bagbys have been back to Newfoundland and Labrador. Mr. BAGBY: Without those cell phone records, they couldn't formally charge. Dear Zachary was then voted the #3 audience favorite of the festival by viewer ballot, out of the 172 distinguished documentaries screening at Hot Docs. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Then I can't consent to more time right now. 1 Photo. Mr. KURT KUENNE (Director): I decided to go on the road to interview people, because I thought, you know, he's never going to have a wedding. The private member's bill was introduced by MP Scott Andrews of Newfoundland last fall after he saw "Dear Zachary" at a March 2009 screening in Ottawa and decided to do something about what he saw. KATE: And she went over in the corner crying, and I gave him back. But of course I didn't. Complicating things further, she soon announced that she was pregnant with Bagbys child. Skewed imagery. If. She called trying to get Andrew when he was here doing a rotation here in California. MORRISON: I never know what to think about these feelings that people get. The Bagbys were compelled to ensure what happened to their son and grandson never happens again. Based on the title alone, it sounds like one of those saccharine documentaries that only the filmmaker and the subject would ever really care about. Without access, without favor, without discretion, and without interference. Mr. BAGBY: Constable Walsh asking to call him. Parents Kate and David Bagby's story of identifying Andrew's body is devastating. They might as well have sent a taxi to her to help take him out and drown him. All rights reserved, Click here for information on becoming a member. he was fussy at all. The Hornet was just back from patrolling . No less than seven of those friends had asked Bagby to be the best man at their weddings. KATE: (Audio recording) Right. MORRISON: But then she claimed she couldn't find it. August 5, 2008: Dear Zachary was the most honored film at Cinequest 18 in San Jose, receiving sustained standing ovations from packed houses at all 3 screenings and winning 2 awards - a Special Jury Award for Documentary Feature and the Audience Award. MORRISON: Kurt and Andrew grew up together in Northern California, where the fledgling director gave Andrew starring roles in some of his earliest ventures. Amazon | Barnes & Noble | Walmart, DIGITAL David Bagby David Russell Bagby, 64, of Statesville, passed away Wednesday, Jan. 5, 2022. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yes, ma'am, I am. Do you feel all right about putting, MORRISON: Safe and warm inside the Bagby house, as the gales of a, Newfoundland winter raged outside, the inevitable happened. Mr. SHEARS: I thought they were great with him. Mr. BAGBY: Shirley killed Andrew. MORRISON: You didn't seriously think of--I mean, you talk about this plan Mr. BAGBY: Absolutely. Andrew, despite his obvious abilities, was turned down by every medical school in the country. The tragedy here is that even if you do see it coming, that still doesnt mean you can stop it. MORRISON: A couple of hours later, there was another knock at the, Mr. BAGBY: Told us what happened. I, was like, `Hi, buddy.' The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. So he came straight for me. ', Because I know you would be worried if we disappeared for a couple of days or, MORRISON: Was she planning something? KATE: It was shocking, but not a surprise. David remembers uttering, "It's really him," and recalls how the two cried over the body, tears falling on to Andrew's face. Office Manager. Except, OK, sometimes not. This is not the worst instance in this story of someone seeing something bad coming but not being able to stop it. And the comfort they personify can be found in the fact that even in the face of Shirley Jane Turner, they not only continue, they remain good while continuing. But as someone else says, Grief is loves unwillingness to let go. So Andrew's father could just as easily be talking about love. I didn't have. (Photo of Shirley, Kate and Zachary; photo of Shirley, David and Zachary; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I just want your word that I'm going to, know where he's at, like any babysitter, you know, if you're going to take him, anywhere, just say, `Shirley, we're going to run out and do this. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Is this Dr. Turner? If she had her way, we would not have had any visitation at, MORRISON: Coming up, fighting not just to see their grandson, but. doesn't take much to pull a trigger, does it? Corporal GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, Dr. Turner, I'm Corporal Gardner with the Pennsylvania State Police. It's great. Still grieving the death of their son, the Bagbys moved to Newfoundland and fought for custody of Zachary. Mr. KUENNE: I think he was a little scared of me when I first came up. get a chance to have some of Andrew again. We urge you to write your MP (if you're Canadian) or the Attorney General of Canada (if you're not) in support of MP Andrews' bill; the next few months are a crucial time. We urge everyone to write your MP (if Canadian) or the Attorney General of Canada (if not) urging them to support MP Andrews and his bill as it moves toward a vote in the near future. How else do you represent almost virtually the same crime happening back to back despite the hindsight in between? MORRISON: When you did find out that she was pregnant, what was your thought? Such choices make for a disorienting viewing experience, especially if youre accustomed to the conventions of slicker documentaries. -, "**** (Four stars). And I prayed to God to be looking after him. -, "This documentary will rip out your heart and leave you in the snow without a sweater. It's great. (A huge thanks to the folks at Different by Design in Los Angeles, CA and Anarchy Post in Glendale, CA for making this possible and affordable.). Every last person who steps foot into a theater to see this will walk away changed. This couple have endured more grief and pain that most people will endure in a lifetime. Mr. SIMPSON: Andrew, you know you can do a lot better. but if we don't get help, we don't know if we're doing what's best. Kate and David Bagby traveled to Ottawa last week to speak as witnesses for the bill before the House's Standing Committee on Justice & Human Rights. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) You don't like this answer, but I'm going to, give it to you again. Purchase the album on: Amazon (Physical CD) iTunes Amazon MP3, DAVID BAGBY'S "DANCE WITH THE DEVIL" RETURNS TO PAPERBACK AND E-BOOK, After four years of being out of print, David Bagby's book "Dance with the Devil" (Andrew Bagby's father's powerful memoir of the events depicted in "Dear Zachary") is finally available in paperback and e-book. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Just got up. He was in, Mr. SHEARS: I would cook supper sometimes when she wasn't around. Kate answered the phone, and she couldn't get off the phone for an hour. And I saw that night her malignancy. Ensure local journalism stays in your community by purchasing a membership today. Jackson, Kentucky. "We had to do something.. One for such a wonderful young man that you raised. I never really convinced myself that she, could--that she would hurt Zachary. As religious as that may sound, that is a comfort. (Driving through rainy street; correctional facility sign; Andrew; Kurt, Unidentified Woman #8: They would drive two hours to the jail. Mr. SHEARS: Yeah, I guess it did at the time, but I still didn't have, MORRISON: How difficult must it have been to ingratiate, themselves with their son's suspected killer? The documentary was originally released in 2008. And we, would have agreed to anything. MORRISON: Zachary Andrew Turner, the son of murder victim Andrew, Bagby and his accused killer Shirley Turner, was born on July 18th 2002, eight, months after the young doctor's murder. The New Yorker may earn a portion of sales from products that are purchased through our site as part of our Affiliate Partnerships with retailers. It didn't clue in, MORRISON: T.J. says while he was touched that she'd shown up at, the hospital, he was also a little surprised. While that change felt good, David wanted more. Except this story is worse. Understood? STORY CONTINUES BELOW THESE SALTWIRE VIDEOS. https://www.saltwire.com//california-couple-want-as-many-/ saltwire.com California couple want as many people as possible to know their story | SaltWire But he was moved to honor his friend the best way he knew how, by making a film. As one friend said, Hes like the blessing Andrew left behind. It was for Zachary that Andrews parents retired, cashed in all their savings and moved from their lifelong home in Pennsylvania to Newfoundland, where Shirley Jane Turner lived. 2015 - 20153 . -. I kind of need to move on from that because, like I. said, I'm a Bagby male. She. Curated newsletters for curious minds. Just from that, conversation, you could kind of get the sense that she didn't want Zachary, MORRISON: And for the Bagbys, Shirley issued what sounded somehow. We thought of him as a hostage, said David. MORRISON: There might have been a particular reason for this. How dreadful the knowledge of the truth can be, wrote Sophocles, when theres no help in truth.. of a woman and a baby on the beach, and I lost it again. Shirley. It had happened almost surely the last, night they were together, and DNA tests would later prove that Andrew was, (Supreme Court exterior; court in progress; house exterior; Shirley and Shears. will not hurt Zachary, period. because it's hard to get off Newfoundland. Through a complicated series of delayed hearings and granted bails, Turner remained free for many months while the decision regarding her extradition was in process. with a supervisor, and we had to be searched. prayed that his murderer, whoever it was, would be swiftly brought to justice. You can reach out to David Bagby-cantu via phone number 915-383-8358. Also, today MP Scott Andrews of Newfoundland introduced a bill in Parliament for its first reading that proposes a modification to Canada's bail code that would justify detention in custody for a suspect who is a potential danger to their own minor children. This is the first example in this story of someone seeing something bad coming but not being able to stop it. They also have Andrews friends, like Kuenne, who remain in their current lives and with whom they can talk about Andrew. I had a husband I loved. You know? For this night they were a couple once again, dancing and drinking together. The strange allure of Robert Durst and The Jinx.. Blood red screen. Do you understand? It would be kind of upsetting, I guess, to let your son spend time. Mr. BAGBY: What a flake. You live your life, you create an entire universe around you, you trundle along, and then FUCK. T.J. and his girlfriend went to bed. Bill C-464 when enacted will justify detention in custody for a person accused of a serious crime who is a potential danger to their own minor children. to the house and found a card from a police officer that we knew. The 10th Anniversary Blu-Ray and DVD are also available from other retailers listed below, and the digital edition is now available for purchase or rent on iTunes, Amazon Prime Video, and Google Play. Kuenne finished his documentary and dedicated it to the memories of both Bagby and Zachary. I dont know how else to say it except they are grown-ups: they are funny, but serious; playful, but organized. Shortly after his death, she fled to Canada and settled back in St. Johns. especially long work day and dropped himself in front of the television. I lay in--laid there in bed a couple of times and thought, If I just kill her, Zachary will be safe. In the end, she died, but love did not. With that powerful, evidence, Shirley Turner was formally charged with Andrew's murder and, arrested by Newfoundland police. Amending Canada's bail code was my goal in releasing "Dear Zachary" publicly; it is my pleasure to announce that goal is now a reality. His medical studies in Newfoundland were complete. Is it OK? | Learn more about Tessa Bagby's work experience, education . It turns out Shirley Jane Turner is pregnant. This is the kind of couple, themselves beloved by hundreds, that produces the kind of son who is beloved by hundreds. KEITH MORRISON reporting: He was everybody's idea of the perfect best man. I had this overwhelming feeling. We were done," Kate Bagby said, finishing her husband's thought, a quirk of their relationship that became apparent during a several-hour recount of how their lives spiraled out of control after that phone call from police. It turns out Shirley owned a .22 caliber handgun, which she acquired while living in Iowa. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) This is Shirley Turner, yes. The material on this site may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, cached or otherwise used, except with the prior written permission of Cond Nast. (Supreme Court building; Shirley being escorted from court; photos of Kate and. (David and Kate; photo of Andrew by tape being put into recording device; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you babysitting? MORRISON: But Shirley would make it tough for Andrew to do that. This was the situation with Andrews son Zachary. What do you want it Mr. BAGBY: Very seriously. Amazon | B&N After Zacharys death, the Bagbys began a quest to have Canadas bail laws changed. Unidentified Man #20: The weather here is terrible. The film ends with the Bagbys and their relatives, friends, and colleagues reflecting on the father and son, as well as the . When he returned to the States, Shirley showed up soon after. They quit their jobs and moved from California to Newfoundland. to reconsider getting some help with that. On Aug. 18, 2003, while awaiting extradition to the U.S. on a charge of murdering Andrew, Turner jumped into the waters of Conception Bay South with her 13-month-old son strapped to her in a murder-suicide. I don't know how else to say it except they are grown-ups: they are funny, but serious; playful, but organized. She was coming here to take care of me. sixteen years have passed but for the bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. Andrew Bagby, a gregarious family-practice resident at Latrobe, was found shot to death on Nov. 5, 2001, in Keystone State Park. MORRISON: Andrew's best friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, suddenly, just knew what he had begun as a small film to memorialize his old friend. A review of Turner's and Zachary's deaths, released in 2006 by Winnipeg-based coroner Peter Markesteyn, concluded the provinces social services system failed Zachary and his death could have been prevented. I thought if I do that, I go to prison, maybe Kate. A few weeks after, Zachary's birthday party, the Bagbys and Shirley took the toddler swimming, an, activity he usually enjoyed. David and Kate Bagby know all about the unlikely power of love funneled through rage. Click HERE for ticket information. unforgivable and that's just the way it's going to be for the rest of my life. Mr. BAGBY: We first got to see him personally in family court. I'm tired of this. Dear Zachary was a hit at Slamdance! American authorities asked Canadian, authorities to send her back to the US, which would require an extradition, hearing. It also took 3rd place in the National Headliner Awards for Best Documentary of 2008, given by the Press Club of Atlantic City. David Bagby. A Kate Bagby is an Advisory Member at Mothers Against Murder based in Los Altos, California. MORRISON: And go she did, back to Newfoundland, Canada. April 14, 2009: Published by Statesville Record & Landmark on. Turner killed herself and Zachary before she could be tried for murder. Read the DocuWeek Q&A with writer/director/composer Kurt Kuenne HERE. (A number of his male friends say that they asked, or would have asked, him to be their best man.) KATE: I had a great childhood. And now it's just. They're like, `What do you mean?' Dear Zachary is now available on DVD! On a shelf in the California home of David and Kate Bagby, sitting inconspicuously among some lovely china, are two urns. The next, hearing in the extradition process was set for September, at which time they. MORRISON: But as Kurt made his way around the globe, his tribute materialized into something far bigger, and much darker, than anyone could have imagined. ', KATE: (Audio recording) Yeah. He said, `What can happen?'. We just want as many people as possible to know this story, the documentary, for the practical reasons in my fantasies, I suppose some judge, some place, actually gets it and denies bail to somebody who could kill again, said David. Now, she sucked us in here, too. She would never go away. Help contribute to IMDb. Senator Tommy Banks of Alberta will be the bill's sponsor in the Senate, and will shortly be distributing DVDs of "Dear Zachary" to all members of the Senate, just as he and MP Andrews distributed the film to all members of the House of Commons last fall when he introduced the bill. KATE: On Sunday night I got out of bed and prayed because I thought Andrew was at risk. MORRISON: What was it like to hear that she was going to get out of prison? children, who had recently been in a bad car accident. Also foreshadowing is how long it takes Andrews parents, Kate and David, to wade through various levels of bureaucracy to confirm his death. -, "You don't just view what's happening on the screen -- you live it through every gasp and every tear, and every bit of exasperated anger(resulting) in one powerful standing ovation, the likes of which I have never seen at Hot Docs beforeDear Zachary will move you.
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